What happened with the Clinton campaign

A new article by Michelle Cottle draws from many interviews from within the Clinton campaign to explain what happened.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

One thing that is very striking to me is that no one says anything about sexism.  People in the Clinton campaign just don't see that as a factor that undermined the campaign.  Instead, they point to many managerial problems, including the well known issues of not really thinking through delegate allocation and not planning for the post Super Tuesday period.

But really the problems started earlier.  For instance, regarding Iowa:

"It was obvious talking to people on the ground there that they simply did not get the Iowa caucus from a field perspective. That's where the thing was lost."

"Mark Penn and Mandy Grunwald dismissed the possibility of youth turning out heavily in Iowa for Obama, saying on the record after the Jefferson-Jackson dinner, 'They don't look like caucus-goers.'"

And the team didn't listen to others much. It was very insular, while lacking experience.  That was a deadly combination.

"Hillary assembled a team thin on presidential campaign experience that confused discipline with insularity; they didn't know what they didn't know and were too arrogant to ask at a time early enough in the process when it could have made a difference, effectively shutting out even some long-time Hillaryland loyalists. Her innermost circle of [Patti Solis] Doyle, [Mark] Penn, [Mandy] Grunwald, [Neera] Tanden and [Howard] Wolfson formed a Board of Directors with no single Chairman or CEO; nobody was truly in charge, nobody held truly accountable."

One aspect of management that was poorly done involved money.

"There was financial mismanagement bordering on fraud. A candidate who raised more than a quarter of a billion dollars over the years had to pump in millions more of her own money to stave off bankruptcy."

And all the spin from the Clinton campaign was so poorly done that it turned off the press.  No one bought their claims after awhile.  (Clinton supporters, take heed.)

"We ran a press operation that lost all credibility with the press through endless and pointless memos like, 'Where's the Bounce?' and polling memos that cherry-picked only positive polls when we were up and ignored polling when we were down."

In handling people outside the campaign and in strategy and finance, the Clinton campaign made lots of mistakes, including underestimating Obama.

And that's how they got here today.  Sexism? Not even something campaign staff mentioned.



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What happened with the Clinton campaign ? (2.00 / 2)

They have 17 million votes, and will almost certainly end up with the popular vote win.

Not bad for a campaign that was so shabbily run.!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:47:41 AM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign ? (none / 0)

Yeah. They did well.  One wonders if a better staff and strategy would have given them the nomination.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:50:37 AM EST
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You didnt get it.... (none / 0)

My comment was directed at you in sarcasm.  It is the height of arrogance to indulge in such postmortems on a campaign that

(a) will most likely win the popular vote &
(b) is not over yet!!

I suppose I could start writing diaries on what happened to the Obama campaign...how they could not translate all that cash advantage into more votes.  But I do not like indulging in silliness!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:54:57 AM EST
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Re: You didnt get it.... (none / 0)

I couldn't agree with you more.  The Clinton campaign was very powerful but had enough managerial problems to ultimately sink it.  She had a great run.


by the mollusk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:58:24 AM EST
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I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

on 1 hand, I do think we should ALL show respect to Hillary and the Importance and Historical meaning of her run, and let her finish it. she IS in the history books with this one.

but on the other hand yes we can see the end, yes we do know the winner and I resent HRC supporters telling me I have to play along with them because they aren't ready to let go

I don't mind them believing its not over, or that she will even win, I do resent this idea that the rest of the world has to play along or we are sexist.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:04:53 PM EST
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Re: I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

Of course she should finish her run. Why not?  I have never called on her to drop out.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:10:13 PM EST
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Re: I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

ofcourse no one is actually calling for her to drop out, they are all just trying to guess when it will happen.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:15:08 PM EST
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Re: I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

No one is calling for her to drop out? Seriously?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:25:00 PM EST
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Re: I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

I wouldn't say no one. Some have. But right now, that is distinctly a marginal point of view.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:27:24 PM EST
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Re: I am of two minds on this (none / 0)

I'm marginal.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:27:32 PM EST
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If they're aim was to win the pop vote (none / 0)

then that explains why they lost since it's a delegate race.

And it's over. One seriously sucky guy, Obama, came out of NOWHERE, and beat 2 Clintons.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:12:30 PM EST
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Re: You didnt get it.... (none / 0)

Almost isn't good enough. And wishing that she comes out ahead in popular votes doesn not make it true, and since the popular vote can not be counted accurately, this metric doesn't mean squat.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:26:22 PM EST
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Re: You didnt get it.... (none / 0)

but its based on facts that don't exist or rely on selective facts (ie counting votes that were never in a contest, ignoring caucus attendees).

She is losing by every measure.


by IowaMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:38:43 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

Interesting retrospective on the campaign.  If Mark Penn is allowed within 100 yards of another campaign ever again...


by Pat Flatley on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:49:44 AM EST

What happened to the Obama campaign? (none / 0)

the movement could barely capture half the votes in his own party.
by linc on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:51:38 AM EST

Re: What happened to the Obama campaign? (none / 0)

Obama had a tough opponent, I'll grant you that.

And he is our nominee.  Did you hear that he picked up 13 delegates yesterday?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
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Re: What happened to the Obama campaign? (2.00 / 1)

Amazing when you consider he was down by nearly 30 points last November.  I distinctly remember having conversations with people and telling them I supported Obama.  They'd get this pitying look in their eyes as if they were trying to decide if I was naive or just plain stupid.


by the mollusk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:00:21 PM EST
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Re: What happened to the Obama campaign? (none / 0)

oh man, he didn't, did he?  

Compare Obama to McGovern?  LOL

foreshadowing....


by colebiancardi on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:47:09 PM EST
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Re: What happened to the Obama campaign? (none / 0)

He beat the former President and Former first-lady/sitting senator who are two of the most high-profile Dems in the nation. The question is why they couldn't beat him not why didn't he do better.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:13:58 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

Why the big push to discredit the role of sexism in the 2008 Dem primary?

If this is to beat the "bitter" women into submission, I can tell you that it won't work.  It would backfire.  Refusing to acknowledge the existence of misogyny in the 2008 Dem primary is not helpful to Obama campaign.

Oh Yeah! We Have Come A Long Way Baby!


by Hurdy Gurdy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:56:09 AM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (2.00 / 1)

Of course there was sexism.

The point is that staffers in the Clinton campaign, when asked what went wrong don't mention sexism. They have plenty of other reasons for her inability to win the nomination.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:01:42 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

Those were points selected by the author Michelle Cottle.  It is by no means the complete truth of the matter.


by Hurdy Gurdy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:11:22 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (2.00 / 1)

So you have evidence that the campaign thinks sexism played a role?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:14:42 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

Were sexism so big a factor in Clinton's defeat, would it have not loomed equally large before the contests began, depriving her of her role as frontrunner and presumptive nominee?



McCain
by Black Anus on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:53:26 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

One would assume. What's interesting is that if I asked this same person if racism were responsible for particular Obama defeats and problems with certain demographics I'd almost be certainly told no.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:01:08 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

i dont disagree with you that the campaign made some grave errors, and do not necessarily agree that this is over. but i have a question - why do you constantly try and deny that sexism played a role here?  the campaign would NEVER admit it, just like BO would NEVER admit that racism played a part in his campaign - it would politically uncouth to do so.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:47:32 PM EST
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Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (2.00 / 3)

The fact that this article was written while she's still running illustrates what happened with the Clinton campaign. That's something that's always bothered me about the Clinton wing of the party - their eagerness to argue internal debates to the press (Carville and Emmanuel, with your 2006 "Dean sucks!" tour, I'm looking at you.). People talk about Clinton and her team in terms of how loyal everyone is to eachother, but anyone cooperating with this article doesn't strike me as particularly loyal to their candidate.

Don't get me wrong, I love reading this stuff, but it would be better for the party if we could wait for Clinton to end her campaign before cooperating with post-mortems.


by Mobar on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:11:20 PM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (2.00 / 1)

What happened to the Clinton Campaign.

1. Mismanaged money: I'm no accountant, but if I  
raised over 1/4 billion dollars, I shouldn't have to "loan" my campaign 16 mill. Hillary should investigate where these funds went.

2. Early Overconfidence: This is an organization that thought this thing would be wrapped up by Super Tuesday.

3. Under Estimated Opponent: Happens a lot in sports, this shows poor planing, and the inexperience by the Clinton Team.

4. Overestimated Their Own Candidate: Remember Davey and Goliath. She was taken down by her own disengenous nature and weekly misspeaks.

Someone said "she won the popular vote" well ain't that special. If she were running for Class President that would be good. How much of that lead was eroded by her own attitude, and a shoddy campaign. she certainly didn't pick up votes, she lost them. Facts are facts.


John McCain: Everyones nowhere man
by johnny sexton on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:36:46 PM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

She has ended her campaign...for the Presidential nomination.

Now, it's (ostensibly) a campaign to go positive, unify the party, and to buff up her rather tarnished image these days.


by Reeves on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:41:09 PM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (none / 0)

Also, why does no one ever mention Iraq?

You know THE big issue for Democrats going into the primary? The one where Hillary started drifting UNAPOLOGETICALLY to the right? The one where she literally told people for whom her Iraq authorization vote was issue to vote for someone else?

That was the biggest mistake, in my mind.


by Reeves on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:46:56 PM EST

Re: What happened with the Clinton campaign (2.00 / 1)

To mention sexism is to admit weakness, to be reviled for playing the gender card.

She can't talk about it.  They can't talk about it.

We can.  I have.  The sexist attacks on Senator Clinton have been disgusting and pervasive, and they're still going on..


by No Blood for Hubris on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:56:49 PM EST

They just don't get it..... (none / 0)

"Clearly [Obama] was a phenomenon. He was tapping something really different than anyone had ever seen before. ... Months and months before Iowa, he was getting record crowds. I just think they should have really gone after him back in the summer and in the fall. I know it would have been a difficult decision to make back then. She's the leader of the party, the standard bearer, the big dog. Everyone thinks she's gonna win and walk away with it. Why go picking on Barack Obama? But that's just something the campaign should have done sooner."

"We didn't lay a serious glove on him until the fall. We tried to a little bit, but we weren't successful. We did silly stuff, like talk about David Geffen. It wasn't the substantive contrast we needed to make."

"Devastating vulnerabilities such as Obama's associations with Wright and Ayers were not unearthed by the campaign's vaunted research team in time to be fully taken advantage of--despite being readily available in the public domain."

They didn't go negative enough early enough? I submit that it was when Clinton's surrogates began smearing Obama's middle name, claiming he attended a madrassa, and implying he sold drugs, that voters began moving away from her in large numbers.

People, and Democrats especially, are sick to death of 8 years of rovian attack and wedge politics. And that's why the Bush/McCain ticket is only digging their hole deeper by continuing and escalating it. Bring it on.


by Nomo Clintons on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:12:33 PM EST

more echo chamber (none / 0)

None of this is news.  You wouldn't need to interview anybody anywhere to draw these conclusions.  More to the point: it was TNR's choice which analysis to report and which not.  They may have chosen to ignore the role of sexism in the campaign.  That certainly would be in keeping with their editorial point of view.

Most importantly, as bad as the sexism in the traditional media was, the worst was on the web.  The really vile postings on dKos, etc., and the biased reporting on TPM and HP may have affected the decisions of all those young and high information voters who voted for Obama.  The people discussed in this report may not have been aware of it.


by dbrown04 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:53:16 PM EST


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